The opinionated ramblings and muses of a weary web victim.

Some people might recall 'back in the day' ...about 10 years ago .... Thermaltake joined forces with BMW Design and came out with the "Thermaltake Level 10" Limited Edition case.

It weighed a ton and was a silly price considering it didn't even come with a PSU ... $1299  AUD.

I ended up with No.221 of the world-wide 500.

Today, I saw on Ebay another for sale second hand [obviously] for $800 AUD - just "up the road" in South Australia .... No.21.

....and it comes with a MoBo and CPU.

Anyone who has had one knows how well they work being made from aluminium plate [not sheet] so are their own heat-sink and the sectioned compartments prevent heat transference as well.

A side effect of their huge weight and size..... no-one's likely to ever pinch it ....

My first one....No.221 ....


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on Jan 09, 2025

I remember when you got the first one. You were fairly proud of it. 

on Jan 09, 2025

I think it was the subject of a "Happy Birthday, Jafo" post. Could be wrong, though.

edit: Wasn't his birthday...he was uninstalling W10.

on Jan 10, 2025

I actually have Windows 10 in that box...but only as a VM...

This was "back in the day" when M.2 'drives' were available, but the Win 7 OS couldn't be installed on one - however there was "a way" to do it...so I did.

These boxes are inherently so cool and 'solid' the fans are almost never on...and if the are you don't ever hear them anyway.  Even the PSU fan totally shuts down after boot, never to be heard from again.

You can see the section/thickness of the material used in that photo.

The little plate at the bottom of the MoBo 'box' is the offset for venting as well as clearance for the GPU.  I had to reinvent that with spacers so it's now out about twice as far [12mm] to clear the RTX3070 which isn't small.

One thing I have been improving is all six physical drives in the 'rack' are now SSDs ... a wee bit lighter...and cooler as well.  It's not really an extravagance to replace the drives...those old platters have quite a few uptime hours on them.... by 'few' I mean 3546.8 days [not hours]... and the M.2 drive claims it wants to retire in 2.5 years time ... 

on Jan 10, 2025


You can see the section/thickness of the material used in that photo.

Hence the jackhammer.  

on Jan 10, 2025

Didn't Starkers have one too? Or maybe he wanted one. Speaking of him, whatever happened to him? I haven't seen him about in quite some time?

on Jan 10, 2025

SamEVO

Didn't Starkers have one too? Or maybe he wanted one. Speaking of him, whatever happened to him? I haven't seen him about in quite some time?

No...his rig was different. His last post was in 2-3/2022...he'd been hacked. I also remember a computer disaster. Also, he'd gotten terminally po'd at bankers/lawyers.

https://forums.stardock.com/517834/page/1/#3883730

IM'd with Shaunna...she tells me he's been ill and he's still trying to get his computer up and running.

on Jan 10, 2025

Looks like I asked that question already. Thanks for the reminder, Doc. 

on Jan 11, 2025

DrJBHL

No...his rig was different.

Starkers' was a Thermaltake Level 10, much the same layout but not a 'heavy metal'  Limited Edition one.

The spreading out of the components makes for a pretty darn big case but it's an advantage for cooling.

When I built mine I opted for "bigger is better" when it came to PSUs so it's running an extremely unstressed 1200 watt Corsair.  Looking at potential 'bits' I have at hand for this new one... I have a Thermaltake 500 watt or perhaps I'll pinch the Antec 1000 from another machine.

It all depends on what condition the MoBo/CPU is in and in which direction I take it...

on Jan 11, 2025

I'm also upgrading my 'spike' protection as apparently an existing board doesn't last forever and the last time I suffered from one it was a $2500 mistake on my part ...

on Jan 11, 2025


The spreading out of the components makes for a pretty darn big case but it's an advantage for cooling.

I think I remember he had a problem putting it in the desk (?) where he wanted it...or a problem getting at it when something went wrong. I certainly could be wrong in this.

on Jan 12, 2025

DrJBHL

I think I remember he had a problem putting it in the desk (?) where he wanted it...or a problem getting at it when something went wrong. I certainly could be wrong in this.

Quite probably.  I have mine directly on the desk by my left shoulder.... 2 reasons...it's away from [most] dust and it's pretty much too heavy to lift.

The empty case was about 50lb on its own....

on Jan 12, 2025

To give an idea of the job we left those guys (the package designers) to solve, a typical CPU has a greater power density (in watts per cubic meter) than if you were standing on the surface of the sun, or if you were in the middle of the Hiroshima explosion.  A typical mosfet transistor nowadays has a gate 3 atoms thick, which means a whopping 3 atoms separate the plus and minus terminals inside the CPU from shorting out. .And a typical system-on-a-chip has 100 million mosfets in it; all of them practically shorted out.  

So these cases you buy--heat sinks, fans, etc., are the result of somebody figuring out how to dissipate a miniature Hiroshima bomb, and fanning that heat out to keep that heat inside down to a cool 70 degrees Celsius.  We basically short out the power supply to make it run fast, then leave it to somebody else to deal with the heat. 

So--those guys who do earn their keep.   

 

on Jan 12, 2025

tetleytea

So these cases you buy--heat sinks, fans, etc., are the result of somebody figuring out how to dissipate a miniature Hiroshima bomb, and fanning that heat out to keep that heat inside down to a cool 70 degrees Celsius. 

Currently CPU is 35c

GPU is 40c

Each of the 6 physical drives 30c

Not sure what the PSU is...but the fan's asleep [as usual]....

 

on Jan 12, 2025


Currently CPU is 35c

GPU is 40c

Each of the 6 physical drives 30c

Not sure what the PSU is...but the fan's asleep [as usual]....

Sounds like a real winner!  

on Jan 12, 2025

The temperature sensor is usually not the hottest part of the chip.  It's probably in the core, and even parts of the core are hotter than others:

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/The-thermal-map-of-an-eight-core-CMP-similar-to-Intel-Haswell-architecture_fig2_333361319

 

The sensor readings you're getting are still useful, though, because a higher reading still means a hotter chip, and a lower one means a cooler one.  And with Intel, AMD, Nvidia et al in competition, there's not much incentive for them to calibrate the temperature sensors to report hotter temperatures.  No one wants to be perceived as running hot. 

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